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Mar 10 16 6:42 AM
Chimier wrote:Adore1985 wrote:I have zero interest in the hologram, it's a gimmick.
BBC have made quite a few good documentaries. They recently did a Black Music Icons series that was very good, particularly the Prince and Janet ones. http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b018grpn/episodes/guideNot only is that hologram going to be creepy and weird, but I just don't believe that they're going to get it down 100%. The way Whitney moved and performed onstage....I don't have enough faith in any of them to capture enough of it to make the hologram realistic. The way she walked onto the platform, the way she bowed after a performance, the way she twitched her fingers and her face, the hand fluttering, the way she walked to and fro, the way she used her arms to conduct, the slap of the thigh every once in a while, the jump/high-knee, the way she'd throw her head back and smile etc. Nah. But good luck to them, anyway.
Adore1985 wrote:I have zero interest in the hologram, it's a gimmick.
BBC have made quite a few good documentaries. They recently did a Black Music Icons series that was very good, particularly the Prince and Janet ones. http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b018grpn/episodes/guide
Mar 10 16 11:57 AM
Mar 10 16 7:15 PM
jemhou wrote:If the hologram is based off a previously recorded live vocal, why aren't they just releasing that performance video? I'm not sure how watching a hologram is better than an actual video.
Mar 11 16 12:15 AM
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Mar 11 16 6:40 AM
PeaceandHarmony wrote:I think the stage set up for the hologram tour will be very HQ. It might be more like how the CW concert was set up; with the orchestra/band, background singers etc. the CW stage seemed to be more of a intimate presentation as was WHH. They are even using Whitney's original band members as a part of this. It will be a 3D image of her so I don't expect it to be spot on because after all, it's not the real Whitney. What would be real are the performances/her voice that they will be using . This could be a very big deal depending on if the hologram actually looks like and moves like Whitney, and not like that other ugly thing that was made some years ago. It will indeed be her biggest post humous project and we need to support it. If this fails, we might as well forget it. I'm also thinking there will be more things added to go along with the tour, like a live album or blu Ray edition. Who knows, if ppl like CeCe Winans will be a part of this like doing a COM duet. This sounds like big potential; it all depends on how much essence of Whitney this hologram will capture.
Mar 11 16 9:23 AM
Mar 13 16 9:48 PM
I don't see how any of Whitney's inner circle would involve themselves
in the filming of this, except for a few desperate Browns maybe. Nick
Broomfield is a white British male documentary maker and he probably has
no idea what he is in for.
I saw his film about 'Kurt and Courtney' and it was quite trashy. He
spoke to some very disturbed characters including Courtney's father, who
shamelessly sells his daughter out to the media all the time. He was
once quoted as saying 'She’s a psychopath, she has a sociopathic
personality like I do.' After seeing him I was thinking to myself no
wonder she is messed up.
Then there was another crazy creepy guy who swore that Courtney tried to
hire him as a hitman. Two days after the interview, he got run over by a
train (he was an alcoholic and theory was he passed out on the tracks).
But Broomfield's final conclusion was that Kurt took his own life,
though Courtney might not have helped by bringing extra stresses into
Cobain's life. Kurt hated too much media attention while Courtney seemed
to revel in it. Everyone knew that already???
The British seem to have developed a very tabloid culture. They usually
want to focus on the scandalous and salacious, such as the worst moments
of BBB. I never saw that show but Whitney should never have been a part
of it. 'Reality shows' are for non talents and has beens. But she did
it to support her husband. There are people who knew Whitney who have
said they were unable to recognize the person on that show... After all
that, I couldn't believe the Houstons decided to do another reality show
after she passed.
I don't see this guy getting at any real truth and if he thinks that
filming about Kurt and Courtney prepares him for this project, well I
think he will be in even more over his head this time around.
Mar 13 16 9:50 PM
divasummer wrote:PeaceandHarmony wrote:I think the stage set up for the hologram tour will be very HQ. It might be more like how the CW concert was set up; with the orchestra/band, background singers etc. the CW stage seemed to be more of a intimate presentation as was WHH. They are even using Whitney's original band members as a part of this. It will be a 3D image of her so I don't expect it to be spot on because after all, it's not the real Whitney. What would be real are the performances/her voice that they will be using . This could be a very big deal depending on if the hologram actually looks like and moves like Whitney, and not like that other ugly thing that was made some years ago. It will indeed be her biggest post humous project and we need to support it. If this fails, we might as well forget it. I'm also thinking there will be more things added to go along with the tour, like a live album or blu Ray edition. Who knows, if ppl like CeCe Winans will be a part of this like doing a COM duet. This sounds like big potential; it all depends on how much essence of Whitney this hologram will capture.Thanks you, you just gave me a little faith in this project.After picturing what you described in your post perhaps it isn't an awful idea.
Mar 14 16 12:12 AM
1. I fear Broomfield will take a sensationalist approach. I've
seen his Kurt and Courtney documentary. And while it made some
interesting points, I felt it degenerated into tabloid stunt journalism
at the end. Bleached is a FAR better, more serious look at Kurt Cobain's
death. I'd love a similar approach to Whitney's (AND Bobbi's because to
me the two are linked in a way we just don't understand yet).2. NO ONE seems to quite understand Whitney's full impact. Whitney was a national treasure. Full stop.
This is why her decline was so devastating to so many of us. In a way
that few artists have before or sense, she embodied the American spirit.
Her decline hits us in the heart, I think, because it feels like
3. I want to see a documentary done by someone with W.E.B. DuBois'
understanding of sociology coupled with James Baldwin's lyricism and
perhaps bell hooks', Patricia Williams' or another Black female's
understanding of what it's like to be a BLACK WOMAN which in many
ways is strikingly different from being a Black man in terms of
privilege and opportunity. It's certainly different from that of white
men or women. When we talk about Kurt Cobain, do we dismissively refer
to him as a junkie or a smackhead (since his drug of choice was heroin)?
No. We refer to his drug use or substance abuse problem or his
addiction and then we go right into talking about how he was a tortured
artist. Okay. I loved Kurt Cobain's
music. But why is he getting a pass, some dignified respect, and
Whitney isn't? Officially Kurt killed himself. Whitney didn't. We know
how unkind people can be about suicide and yet Kurt STILL gets more
respect than Whitney. Whitney was on the scene LONGER than Kurt but she
gets no respect as an artist from the establishment. They dismiss her as
just singer. Double standard and UNJUSTIFIED.4. Whitney evolved from superstar to national icon because she used
great artistry to capture and unversal-ize (so to speak) a critical
cultural moment in American history and identity. Why do we keep
going back to that Star Spangled Banner performance? Because THAT'S when
she did it. We didn't fully realize it at the time. And without the
staggering success of The Bodyguard I don't know if we would have
continued to feel that way or even become conscious of that feeling. But
that performance catapulted her into American history in a way that few
other artists could achieve. When we say other artists are NOT icons or
legends, to me it's because we can't point to a moment when that
particular artist captured the spirit of the NATION and spoke for ALL of
us. With Whitney we can. 5. To me her career arc runs in parallel to a critical stage in the
history of African American history and that of the Black Middle Class
in particular. Whitney hit the stage in the 80s when people were
recognizing that there had been an unprecedented expansion of the Black
Middle Class. Although it's problematic to cite it now (for obvious
reasons), The Cosby Show embodied this and Whitney was referred to as a
Cosby kid version of R&B. Yes a lot of this was just an array of
blows in the culture wars, but they also marked significant, nay even
structural changes in American society. Several books focused on this at
the time including Ellis Cose' "Rage of a Privileged Class" which
examined the contradictions such a group wrestled with.On the one hand, we had the expansion of the Black Middle Class. On the other hand we had the Drug War.
Are we surprised that Whitney as a Black woman in an exceedingly high
pressure career and media spotlight got caught in the crossfire? Other
forces included the rising conservatism of the Reagan Era, the expansion
of the media industry (cable TV, which is quaint now and heading
towards obsolescence), the introduction and evolution of rap/hip hop.
The Internet's debut. Whitney's career tracks along all of these
developments. She has to be seen and understood within that context.
Again, he's problematic to cite, but just as Cosby himself had an impact
that can't be erased, so does Whitney. Of course people will try to
erase it. She's Black. She's female. She had a substance addiction that
was reported on in lurid, undignified detail. All of these will be used
as the excuse to trivialize or erase her. Even going back a generation or 2, Whitney's family history tracks with American, especially African American, history.
Cissy Drinkard's family history, including the loss of their land,
their migration North, the formation of their gospel group, Cissy's own
legendary status as one of the greatest backup singers (20 feet from
stardom!), Cissy's own solo career. All of these things read like pages
out of American history. And ONE family did this.
If we don't understand and ARTICULATE Whitney's career, impact and
accomplishments in those terms, we'll never fully understand how much
she gave us. Nor will anyone else. And we'll never be able to protect
her legacy the way it should be.
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May 2 16 4:18 PM
By Michael Schneider | IndiewireMay 2, 2016 at 4:06PM
In the race to release a documentary on the life of Whitney Houston, Showtime and director Nick Broomfield have taken an early lead.
Broomfield, who hasn't settled on a title yet (although "Whitney: Can I Be Me Now?" is one possibility), is heading into the editing room shortly to complete the film in time for a late 2016 bow on the pay cable network. That will put it ahead of the rival Houston documentary announced last week by Altitude Film Entertainment and director Kevin Macdonald.
Macdonald's film is being produced with the cooperation of the Houston estate, which will give it access to internal archival footage and interviews with family members, plus Sony Music's Clive Davis, who famously groomed Houston into a superstar. But Broomfield told Indiewire that his documentary promises to tell the story of Houston's life and career without any conflict of interest that might come from the involvement of the star's estate.
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"I think people really felt that she was an incredibly selfless human being who rarely did what she wanted to do," Broomfield said. "She was always trying to make everybody happy. She opened the doors for other artists, but she gave up something enormous in doing that. I think that's why she's this incredibly iconic figure. And that's why we can make this film. Because I'm not beholden to Clive Davis or the estate." (In the Altitude Film release, Macdonald said his film wouldn't shy away from Houston controversies; but when contacted, the production company did not respond to follow-up questions.)
Broomfield said he has already cleared legal rights for nine of Houston's key songs, and has also shot 30 interviews over the past two months. Some of the figures that Broomfield has talked to include background vocalist Charlotte Gibson, former bodyguard David Roberts, music director Michael Baker and former Arista Records executives.
"Meeting all these people has probably shown me a very kind of vulnerable, sensitive side of her that people have loved," Broomfield said. "It might surprise you, but my old heart has been won over."
One person Broomfield won't speak to is Houston's ex-husband Bobby Brown, who requested $15,000 for the interview. "I don't think I really need him," Broomfield said. "I don't know what he's got to add. I think the people who are going to be more interesting are other members of his family, who have been more on the line. Bobby Brown and Whitney were in a kind of dance. They were completely destructive because they were in a weird competition. I've never heard Bobby Brown even vaguely talk eloquently about that. I also don't want to spend that kind of money on him."
Meanwhile, Broomfield confirmed that the Houston estate has contacted interview subjects and asked that they not participate in the Showtime project. (A rep for the estate declined comment.)
READ MORE: Whitney Houston Documentary In Development Via Oscar Winner Kevin Macdonald & ‘Searching for Sugar Man’ Producer
"It probably says more about them than about my production," Broomfield said. "Not only is it a defensive move, it's something that I don't respect. The kind of behavior you don't normally get in the documentary community. I don't know if it's had much of an effect on me, other than a few sleepless nights. It hasn’t changed the film I wanted to make."
The filmmaker still has access to plenty of fair use footage, and also can tap the fully stocked resources of Showtime parent CBS' "Entertainment Tonight," "60 Minutes" and CBS News archives. Broomfield said he has the full support of Showtime, which holds the film's North America rights, even as he encounters hurdles from the Houston estate. " I think they realize I've been diligent and upfront and I secured a whole lot of the music."
The Showtime film won't shy away from the story behind who and what contributed to Houston's tragic death at the age of 48. But the "Kurt & Courtney" filmmaker said he came into shooting the Houston doc with an open mind.
"I believe addiction is a disease, and it's dangerous to take a strong moral position with people who are driven to it by the incredible stress that they're under," Broomfield said. "Friends of hers I talked to said she would weep talking about what they said about her in the press. It really got to her. She was very undefended. I've been very moved by this story. If I had found the opposite I wouldn’t pull my punches. But she's misunderstood, the part of her with enormous heart."
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May 2 16 4:57 PM
Chimier wrote:One person Broomfield won't speak to is Houston's ex-husband Bobby Brown, who requested $15,000 for the interview. "I don't think I really need him," Broomfield said. "I don't know what he's got to add. I think the people who are going to be more interesting are other members of his family, who have been more on the line. Bobby Brown and Whitney were in a kind of dance. They were completely destructive because they were in a weird competition. I've never heard Bobby Brown even vaguely talk eloquently about that. I also don't want to spend that kind of money on him."LOL. LMAO. TROLOLOLOL. Rusty Crusty Beresford Fuckboy Brown. Never change.
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May 2 16 8:35 PM
Gospelartist03 wrote:I'm just happy people are coming around to the fact Whitney Houston was a beautiful soul and if anyone digs deep they're going to find a lovely human being that's shared her gift with the world. You don't have to know her to feel the love that came from her voice/soul
Also In a strange way I feel these two dueling documentaries are going to push each other to do great work and it sounds as though both are looking to flip the script on the negative shadow the media has thrown on her.
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