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I just saw that movie and had it on the brain I guess.
I just saw that movie and had it on the brain I guess.
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OT. US Presidential Primaries
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Diamond
Posts: 10903 (Fri, 4 Jan, 2008 12:17:03) |
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PAPAYOKE |
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Diamond
Posts: 5659 (Fri, 4 Jan, 2008 12:30:57) |
I have to agree. "Lack of experience" is just another way of saying "status quo."
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Tony L |
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Diamond
Posts: 3063 (Fri, 4 Jan, 2008 17:23:55) |
I'm one who thought Powell could've had a real chance years ago, def. not now though.
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BABYJAMES2002 |
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Platinum
Posts: 1845 (Fri, 4 Jan, 2008 19:11:53) Gold |
Quote: I agree! |
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Ijsboereke |
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Platinum
Posts: 1612 (Fri, 4 Jan, 2008 19:40:16) |
Am I the only one thinking to find it a bit sus' that so many independents voted for the democrats? Wouldn't surprise me one bit if many of those independents turned out to be republicans trying to hurt the candidate most likely to win in the actual elections...It's not like it hasn't happened before...
And sorry, but experience does matter. I'm not saying that it matters in office, cause I wouldn't even know about that. It simply doesn't happen in established democracies and under normal circumstances. It's the classical scenario: People are tired of the old government and a fresh new face seems to have all the odds on his side. Hen then gets a landslide victory in the primaries because people think the candidate stands for something new and are therefor willing to overlook his lack of experience. Then in the actual campaign he loses steam and his lack of experience becomes clear. He then loses the election to someone much more experienced that was close to the previous (hated) government. The end. Besides, all we know about Obama is what he *says* he will do. I personally prefer Hilary's flaws (that I know of) over Obama's (that remain to be seen). But then again, I never was much of a gambler... That said, if he does get the nomination, I hope he proves me wrong and gets elected... |
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danny Marc |
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Posts: 1206 (Fri, 4 Jan, 2008 22:41:37) Gold |
shocked, SHOCKED at how someone who is young can be a republican who votes for the extreme worse of that party, those who on top of fiscally adn economically conservative are narrow minded, borderline fascist socially and THAT is the shocking part!
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Posts: 1739 (Fri, 4 Jan, 2008 22:42:31) Gold |
Win the election or not, all I know is I was in ecstasy last night to have someone I was rooting for win something at all. I was literally dancing in my room, and cheering every sentence of his speech(which was literally one of the best I've ever heard). I had a good night's rest indeed.
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BABYJAMES2002 |
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Platinum
Posts: 1845 (Fri, 4 Jan, 2008 23:11:28) Gold |
Quote: I couldn't have said it better. |
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Peaceseeker420 |
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Posts: 1208 (Fri, 4 Jan, 2008 23:45:18) |
Experience does matter, but what matters most is what you have done with that experience.
I am for Barack Obama all the way! Hillary cannot use her husbands presidency as her experience. I respect the woman, but I do not trust her. Obama, is someone that I respect, trust, and believe in. Hillary talks the talk but she does not walk the walk. She says only what people want to hear. But she is easily the most conservative candidate running in the democratic race, when you look at what she has done with her experience. |
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Posts: 1823 (Sat, 5 Jan, 2008 00:30:03) |
Political views and changes aside, what would be better to represent a new positive regime for the US for the people and especially on a global front?
the 1st Female President? or the 1st Black President? Thats where it stands. I predict that Obama will lose out to Huckabee, as there are many many religious people in the US. I mean, just look at award recipients.... It will be like so close. I would vote for Obama to win, as it may unite and be a final answer to the American Dream and to the one given by Dr M L King. Perhaps it may fall in the favour of the US population that feels either neglected or not considered that one man can make a difference. If Obama was elected my worst fear is of him being killed, as you guys love to assasinate presidents.... How many years of race riots and fall out would that start? Kill Hillary? Nothing but handbags for sale ..... |
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Posts: 1713 (Sat, 5 Jan, 2008 02:26:06) |
Well, Obama also talk a good talk, but how many times have we heard about the young, exuberant Senators and Congresspeople who go to Washington to change the system only to end up being changed themselves. You run up against a giant brick wall decades old of red tapes, established power structure, old money, etc. that doesn't bend for no one, least of all outsiders.
Hillary is most feared by the Republicans, because she'll be able to dig up a lot of buried bones and use them to her advantage. She has already promised to end the tax break party for the rich and up, but that's only the beginning. In other words, it's very much in their interest to try to sabotage her campaign by any means necessary, including starting another war before the general election to even do the unspeakable. |
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PAPAYOKE |
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Diamond
Posts: 5659 (Sat, 5 Jan, 2008 02:32:19) |
Quote: Oh please. We already know that you don't think favorably of Black Americans in general, so please spare us the bullshit. |
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Diamond
Posts: 9037 (Sat, 5 Jan, 2008 04:38:55) |
Preach Papa!
I was thinking the same thing when I read that post. I'm not the most political person on this board but I recognize when people are saying things to support their particular "views" of Americans, especially Black Americans. That poster has made that abundantly clear within the last few months. |
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Posts: 675 (Sat, 5 Jan, 2008 05:20:41) |
It amazes me when now in 2008, some people throw out about this "having experience" when the current piece of bull**** we have now for a president did not have enough experience, benefits from a cabinet and policies his father put in place, and continues to look more and more ignorant each passing day! Please do not even get me started about Rudy Guiliani who before September 11th was a hated man in New York and probably still is!
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Posts: 1612 (Sat, 5 Jan, 2008 11:10:54) |
Papa and Leigh...I'm sorry, but...what? Which past couple of months?
Are you still going on about Serena? I think she's arrogant, sorry. Patti? Used to be talented, not anymore. Oprah? Annoying, righteous hag (though no more than Dr. Phill or any of those idiots). But that's just my opinion. My opinion on three people that happen to be black. I'm sorry if that offends you so much... But many (if not most) people who are discussed on here are black, so is it that surprising that I have a negative opinion on some of them? Honestly, I can't believe you two... I actually like Obama as a person. When I made my post, I was drawing from all the other elections I've ever followed (I take the liberty to presume I've followed more than you). Obama shouldn't get the nomination. But if he does get the nomination (political science isn't rocket science), I want him to win. And if he gets the nomination in 4-8 years (providing that he hasn't made any serious mistakes by then), I'm on his team for sure. It's not about him being black. It's not even about him not being able to win because he is. If Colin Powell had run a couple of years ago, like some others stated, he could have won. But even on its own, inexperience is enough to make you lose. It makes him an easy target. Add to that the (hopefully) small but existing percentage of people who refuse to vote for a black candidate and you've got a certified loss. |
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Ijsboereke |
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Posts: 1612 (Sat, 5 Jan, 2008 11:15:47) |
Sorry to spam, but I'm starting to wonder if I've even made more than 10 posts during the past few months. And about relatively innocent subjects. Leigh, sure you're not taking me for another poster?
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PAPAYOKE |
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Diamond
Posts: 5659 (Sat, 5 Jan, 2008 11:17:33) |
Well excuuuuuuse me. Maybe I'm just confused. Maybe you had a twin who also posted under the name "Ijsboereke" who declared that African-Americans were more racist ("racistic" was the word used) than White Americans based on reruns of the TV sitcom, SISTER SISTER.
Next... |
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Ijsboereke |
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Posts: 1612 (Sat, 5 Jan, 2008 11:45:58) |
Haha, I even forgot about that. Are you honestly gonna use things against me that I said when I wasn't even 18 years old? In a language that was other than my own? About a country that I obviously didn't know the sensitivities of yet? 4 or 5 years can make a world of difference at that age.
If I would stand by anything I said then, I would've killed Mariah Carey by now.  I actually like her now (only a bit, mind you!)I thought we were talking about the last couple of months (referring to Leigh's post)... P.S. FYI In my defence, I think I also referred to The Fresh Prince of Bel-Air. |
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Posts: 1788 (Sat, 5 Jan, 2008 12:47:18) |
Quote: And don't forget he wasn't voted for in 2000 either.... 
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mrsmith247 |
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Posts: 548 (Sat, 5 Jan, 2008 15:03:36) |
I agree with Phizzo and Ijsboereke
When choosing a President, race should not be an issue. Instead we should be focused on the changes that the candidate can actually make. Will he/she make a difference in years to come? Are they equipped to deal with the bureaucracies that they'll run into once they become President? Can their experience benefit them or be used as an asset while their in office? What type of experience do they have? I mean to down play experience like its of no importance is ridiculous. It's like asking a player whose been in the game for a year to suddenly become a coach. It doesn't work that way. Before you become a coach, you have to master all the learning functions so you can effectively teach, you have to know how to motivate, you must know how to strategize, and be decisive etc. I'm not trying to compare being a President to a coach, because obviously there is no comparison, but experience plays a very important role, especially when your talking about running a country where unemployment is high, where the reputation is at an all time low, and where the relationships with other world leaders is not favorable at all. And on another note, all candidates are saying what we want to hear. Lets be real. When have you heard a presidential candidate not say what the American people want to hear? We can all go on and on, but when deciding on a President, all factors should be considered, because ultimately a good or bad president could make each of our lives that much better or that much worse. much peace in 08 ozzie 
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